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Coarsegrained curvature tensor on polygonal surfaces
by Charlie Duclut, Aboutaleb Amiri, Joris Paijmans, Frank Jülicher
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As Contributors:  Aboutaleb Amiri · Charlie Duclut 
Arxiv Link:  https://arxiv.org/abs/2104.07988v1 (pdf) 
Date submitted:  20210419 13:33 
Submitted by:  Duclut, Charlie 
Submitted to:  SciPost Physics 
Academic field:  Physics 
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Approaches:  Theoretical, Computational 
Abstract
Using concepts from integral geometry, we propose a definition for a local coarsegrained curvature tensor that is welldefined on polygonal surfaces. This coarsegrained curvature tensor shows fast convergence to the curvature tensor of smooth surfaces, capturing with accuracy not only the principal curvatures but also the principal directions of curvature. Thanks to the additivity of the integrated curvature tensor, coarsegraining procedures can be implemented to compute it over arbitrary patches of polygons. When computed for a closed surface, the integrated curvature tensor is identical to a rank2 Minkowski tensor. We also provide an algorithm to extend an existing C++ package, that can be used to compute efficiently local curvature tensors on triangulated surfaces.
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The authors use techniques from integral geometry to define a local coarsegrained curvature tensor on polygonal surfaces, so that one obtains in the continuum limit the correct principal curvatures and curvature directions. This is important for many numerical applications in soft matter physics where fluid interfaces play a crucial role. A C++ code is provided which also augments the karambola package for the computation of Minkowski tensors on triangulated surfaces. In particular, the elaborated boundary condition for adjacent triangles to guarantee convergence are very practical, especially equation (14) and its implementation in karambola is useful for further applications.
The paper is clearly written and very nicely illustrated by helpful figures.
The possibility to coarsegrain in a welldefined manner is a very important consequence of integral geometry and the advantages of the Minkowski functionals are well emphasised. I particularly liked the motivation and the outlook where this coarsegraining could be applied in biophysics, where the transfer of integral geometry to systems such as membranes and cell tissues is certainly a promising step in the future.
However, the relation to Minkowski tensors is, as far as I understand the appendix, even closer than already stated in the paper. In integral geometry the curvature tensor is defined as the integral of the local support measure over a finite domain of the normal bundle, thus it is local and even on edges welldefined. The selection of a region or patch  as it is done here in the paper  is practical for applications, but as far as I can see not a fundamental new extension of the existing literature. In integral geometry curvature measures are introduced locally and are identical to the speciual case of Minkowski tensors only when integrated over a closed surface.
Unfortunately, I have not been able to understand the remark that the introduced curvature tensor is not continuous. Even if normal vectors at contours are not uniquely given, one can usually apply a Gauss map (on the parallel surface) and define local Minkowski tensors by integrals over a part of the possible normal vectors. Therefore, I would appreciate a more detailed proof since I do not see at the moment why it should not be a local Minkowski tensor; although certainly a different one than the curvature weighted integral over the patch. Similar curvatures tensors at singular edges are used, for instance, in density functional theories for fluids with hard particle interactions; see e.g. HansenGoos&Mecke, PRL 102, 018302 (2009); J. Phys.: Condens. Matter 22, 364107 (2010).
There are minor issues which might be changed to improve the paper:
The authors should add a classic reference to integral geometry, like the book by Schneider and Weil, 'Stochastic and Integral Geometry' (Springer, 2008) or the paper of Daniel Hug, 'Measures, curvatures and currents in convex geometry' (Freiburg, 1999).
Remarks on page 2:
'Despite its importance, a proper definition of the curvature tensor remains elusive for surfaces represented by discrete triangles or polygons.'
This is not really correct; since the early days of computers there is vast number of publications in computational geometry on proper definitions of discretized curvatures. In particular, convex geometry has solved the problem of curvature tensors on polygons already in a rigorous way, for instance through the definition of (flag) support measures and local valuations for convex bodies including polytopes (see the work by Daniel Hug).
'Minkowski functionals are defined for closed surfaces.'
This seems to be a too restrictive since local functionals can also be defined for open sets (see the reviews mentioned above).
'... and form a basis for scalar and tensorvalued valuations on convex shapes'
While the scalar Minkowski functionals form a basis for scalar valuations, the statement is not quite correct for tensorvalued valuations since some of the Minkowski tensors are linearly depended. Therefore "span the space of" is more precise than "form a basis for".
Moreover, I suggest to add here citations of the theorems proven by Hadwiger (scalar case) and Alesker (tensorial case):
S. Alesker, Geom. Dedicata 74 , 241 (1999); S. Alesker, 'Continuous rotation invariant valuations on convex sets', Annals of Mathematics, Bd. 149, 1999, S. 9771005.
H. Hadwiger, Abhdl. Math. Sem. Hamburg 17, 69 (1951).
'... are a generalization of the Minkowski scalars to tensorial quantities'.
I suggest to mention here also the application of Minkowski tensors on cellular and discretized structures in physics, for instance, the review article by SchröderTurk et al., Advanced Materials 23, 25352553 (2011).
In particular, the definition of Minkowski maps for local curvature tensors (see Fig. 4 in this reference) might be important for further applications, since it provides a coarse grained evaluation of a Minkowski tensors for pixelated images and polygonal surfaces defined on grids.
p4: '... is a Minkowski tensor'
It might help to add which tensor is addressed, i.e., W_2^{0,2}.
p5: Typo: 'closed surface S' > 'closed surface \mathcal{S}'
p7: 'Indeed, imposing that ...'
Unfortunately I don't understand the need for this restriction. The authors could explain in more detail, why is it important for the integrated tensor that two neighbouring triangles are assigned the same value?.
p13/14: Typo: 'convention for the integrated curvature tensor that read:'