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More on the threegluon vertex in SU(2) YangMills theory in three and four dimensions
by Axel Maas, Milan Vujinović
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As Contributors:  Axel Maas 
Arxiv Link:  https://arxiv.org/abs/2006.08248v2 (pdf) 
Date submitted:  20200721 02:00 
Submitted by:  Maas, Axel 
Submitted to:  SciPost Physics 
Academic field:  Physics 
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Approach:  Computational 
Abstract
The threegluon vertex has been found to be a vital ingredient in nonperturbative functional approaches. We present an updated lattice calculation of it in various kinematical configurations for all tensor structures and multiple lattice parameters in three dimensions, and in a subset of those in four dimensions, for SU(2) YangMills theory in minimal Landau gauge. In three dimensions an unambiguous zero crossing for the treelevel formfactor is established, and consistency for all investigated form factors with a powerlike divergence towards the infrared. The results in four dimensions are consistent with such a behavior, but do not yet reach deep enough into the infrared to establish it.
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Anonymous Report 2 on 20201012 (Invited Report)
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Report on the manuscript “More on the threegluon vertex in SU(2) YangMills theory in three and four dimensions”.
Dear Editors,
I read carefully the manuscript. The Landau gauge 3gluon vertex is analyzed with a MonteCarlo lattice calculation. Both the three and the four dimensional cases are considered. Treelevel and nontreelevel tensor structures are considered. The authors are able to discuss with more precision this vertex and, in particular, to determine more reliably the existence of a “zerocrossing” in threedimension (also suggesting a similar but weaker effect in d=4). The article is interesting, address an active topic and is, on general grounds, wellwritten. However, in my opinion, as it stands it is not suited for publication in SciPost. Moreover, it is not clear to me if the results require its publication in a review with high impact as SciPost because the results are, essentially, an improvement of previous ones on the same topic (some of them from one of the authors of the present manuscript). Even if improving the precision (and extending the results to new tensorial structures) is welcome and should be published, maybe SciPost is not the proper place.
On top of this issue (that is more an editorial choice), in my opinion, the manuscript has many points that should be improved and could be done easily.
1) On the bibliographic side, in my opinion, the quoted literature is a little bit biased. For example, the Peláez et al. article on 3gluon vertex which is a very wellknown reference on the topic is not quoted. This is not just a reference problem because it may also bias the choice of fitting functions. For example, in the Peláez paper it is proposed that the infrared behavior of the 3gluon vertex is logarithmic in momenta and not a powerlaw in d=4 (giving a very simple explanation for that). This is qualitatively consistent to what is seen in the present manuscript where it is seen that the apparent infrared divergence is weaker in d=4 than in lower dimensions but no discussion on this possibility is done. Even more, no fit with respect to a logarithmic function is done in d=4 that could be included very easily. On top of that, in the literature concrete values for the infrared exponents are proposed for d=3 in many articles (including Peláez’s) and no concrete comparison to those values is done. I think that this is very easy to be incorporated in the present manuscript.
2) In my impression, the first equation (without number, before (1)) defines a vertex which is not properly renormalized. At odds with the ghostgluon vertex that a similar expression gives a vertex which is already renormalized, for the 3gluon vertex the considered expression would have in d=4 an ultraviolet multiplicative divergence. This is not problematic for the purposes of the present article but should be pointed out in the text in order to avoid any confusion.
3) Two lines after equation (5), the authors mention perturbative results to compare to but they do not include any reference. A reference would be welcome.
4) When estimating powerlaw exponents one usually requires at least a range of two orders of magnitude of variation of the independent variable. Here the authors present figures as 2 and 6 with only one order of magnitude in the powerlaw range of momenta. In my opinion, this short range of momenta permits to suggest that a power law is present but does not allow to calculate the exponents beyond the order of magnitude. In particular, in my opinion, one cannot estimate with such a narrow interval of momenta exponents with the number of digits that the authors claim. My opinion seems to be confirmed by the figures 3 and 7. Moreover, the authors observe an important volume dependence of their results. In my opinion, the precision of the exponents is overestimated by at least an order of magnitude. I think a rephrasing and a much more careful wording on this point would be welcome. On the same token, the authors suggest that the powerlaw exponents for the nontreelevel tensor structures are the same than those for the treelevel one. In my opinion, a much careful wording on this point would be welcome because I do not see how with these data one can claim that (beyond a qualitative assertion).
5) In figure 5 one observes a very important noise in the ultraviolet. This has been observed for the same quantity in previous lattice simulations. In my opinion, the reason for such large fluctuations should be discussed in the manuscript or at least the point commented. It may happen that the authors do not know the reason that provokes such a noisy curve but at least they must mention a list of possible origins and discuss more properly the point (that is just mentioned in the manuscript).
6) I do not understand the first sentence of page 5.
I think that those points are easily taken into account. If that were done, in my opinion, the manuscript would be suited for publication. In my opinion the content cannot be qualified as “groundbreaking” or similar qualifications as is expected for SciPost but I think that this is more an editorial decision than a referral decision. After corrections the manuscript could be accepted in an alternative journal.
Anonymous Report 1 on 2020924 (Invited Report)
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The authors study the 3gluon correlation functions of YangMills theory in the Landau gauge with lattice simulations. The problem has been studied in the past and the results presented in this article correspond to a improvement on older calculations. The main interest of this article to my opinion is to strengthen the case in favor of a "zero crossing" of the 3point correlation (ie, the correlation function changes sign at some infrared momentum) in the threedimensional case. The physically more interesting fourdimensional situation is more challenging and remains open. To my opinion the results are interesting but do not correspond to the criteria of scipost physics for publication (no "groundbreaking computational dicovery"). As such, I think that the article should not be published in scipost physics. A transfer to scipost core could be considered.
1) Apart from showing evidence in favor of the zero crossing, the authors try to characterize the infrared behavior of the correlation function. They fit their lattice results with a power law, eq. (4), and try to extract the associated exponent b. I must say that I am not convinced by the determination of the error bars, which seem underestimated. For instance, in section 31, the authors give a determination of the critical exponent b as 1.76 with an error of a few percents. But the lattice data show an approximate linear behavior in the loglog plot on only 1 order of magnitude (see fig 2). On such a small range of momenta, the determination of the exponent with this precision would need to quantify the effect of corrections to scaling and this is not addressed by the authors. (A small comment: on the top left plot of fig. 2 The fit seems to be always above the lattice points. This looks strange.)
2) The authors seem to ignore the calculation of Pelaez et al (arXiv:1310.2594) where the 3point correlation function was computed. These authors proposed a simple understanding for the zero crossing and give a prediction for the singular behavior of the correlation function, both in 3 and 4 dimensions. The authors should compare their findings with earlier predictions for their exponent b.
3) The article is in general well written. I should mention though that:
below eq 3, I didn't understand what the author meant in the sentence: "Note that for SU(2) ... suppressed";
in the next sentence it is not clear to me what "all of them" corresponds to;
next paragraph, the first sentence should be rewritten.