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A symmetry algebra in doublescaled SYK
by Henry W. Lin, Douglas Stanford
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Authors (as registered SciPost users):  Henry Lin 
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Preprint Link:  https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.15725v1 (pdf) 
Date accepted:  20231127 
Date submitted:  20230810 18:14 
Submitted by:  Lin, Henry 
Submitted to:  SciPost Physics 
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Academic field:  Physics 
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Approach:  Theoretical 
Abstract
The doublescaled limit of the SachdevYeKitaev (SYK) model takes the number of fermions and their interaction number to infinity in a coordinated way. In this limit, two entangled copies of the SYK model have a bulk description of sorts known as the "chord Hilbert space." We analyze a symmetry algebra acting on this Hilbert space, generated by the two Hamiltonians together with a twosided operator known as the chord number. This algebra is a deformation of the JT gravitational algebra, and it contains a subalgebra that is a deformation of the $\mathfrak{sl}_2$ nearhorizon symmetries. The subalgebra has finitedimensional unitary representations corresponding to matter moving around in a discrete EinsteinRosen bridge. In a semiclassical limit the discreteness disappears and the subalgebra simplifies to $\mathfrak{sl}_2$, but with a nonstandard action on the boundary time coordinate. One can make the action of $\mathfrak{sl}_2$ algebra more standard at the cost of extending the boundary circle to include some "fake" portions. Such fake portions also accommodate certain subtle states that survive the semiclassical limit, despite oscillating on the scale of discreteness. We discuss applications of this algebra, including submaximal chaos, the traversable wormhole protocol, and a twosided OPE.
Published as SciPost Phys. 15, 234 (2023)
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Report #2 by Daniel Harlow (Referee 2) on 20231117 (Invited Report)
 Cite as: Daniel Harlow, Report on arXiv:2307.15725v1, delivered 20231117, doi: 10.21468/SciPost.Report.8143
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This very nice paper explains how to extend the gravitational algebra of JT gravity plus matter to an exact statement about doublescaled SYK at finite q. The technical explanations are all clear and to the point, and I think this paper should be published as is. I have only one question for the authors, mostly for my own education: in sections 4.24.4 they introduce a "fake disk" picture for understanding their algebra in the limit that $\lambda\to 0$. They suggest that the fake regions of the disk can be interpreted as a failure of "latticeish" modes to decouple, similar to fermion doubling. My question is the following: does this mean that there is some mistake in the usual analysis of the SYK model at the disk level at finite $p$? Are there some states that were missed in the usual analysis? Or is this just a reinterpretation of things which have some other more convoluted explanation in the usual formalism?
Report #1 by Anonymous (Referee 1) on 2023919 (Invited Report)
 Cite as: Anonymous, Report on arXiv:2307.15725v1, delivered 20230919, doi: 10.21468/SciPost.Report.7841
Strengths
1 The paper is concerned with exploring important questions related to the bulk dual of the SYK model at finite temperature, and derives a concrete result about the submaximal chaos exponent.
2 It generalizes the near horizon symmetries of JT gravity.
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This paper by Lin and Stanford gives a bulk derivation of the submaximal Lyapunov exponent 2πv/ β, at finite temperature, using the “chord Hilbert space” constructed in the scaling limit N → ∞, p → ∞ fixed λ ≡ 2p2/N, of the SYK model. The answer agrees with the known result calculated some time ago by Maldacena and Stanford in the limit of large p, i.e. λ → 0.
On way to the above result they discovered a symmetry subalgebra of the chord algebra that reduces to the SL2 algebra of near horizon symmetries, in the limit λ → 0, at finite temperature. This result would imply a maximal Lyapunov exponent! The puzzle is resolved by demonstrating that the bulk dual of the large p SYK model is defined on an extended “fake” disk, on which the SL2 has a natural action, leading to a submaximal Lyapunov exponent.
The chord (bi)algebra at finite λ and its representation theory is discussed in detail. They find that the symmetry subalgebra has finite dimensional unitary representations related to worm holes with an integral chord number.
The paper is very well written and discusses the chord Hilbert space and its operator algebra in detail and raises a host of interesting questions related to a discrete generalization of the geometric JT gravity and its symmetry algebra and generalization to higher dimensions.
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Author: Henry Lin on 20231206 [id 4173]
(in reply to Report 2 by Daniel Harlow on 20231117)Hi Daniel, in response to your question: no, we did not find any mistakes in the canonical texts on finite p SYK. We just give a "geometric" interpretation of some pieces of the 4pt function of finite p SYK. Since we have a bulk Hilbert space formalism, we can say more clearly what (a subset of) the states that are produced when we collide 2 particles, etc. In the previous path integral approaches to the 4pt function, one could try to interpret some terms as coming from "states" in some intermediate channel but it wasn't totally clear how to describe these states as elements in a Hilbert space.