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Random matrix universality in dynamical correlation functions at late times

by Oscar Bouverot-Dupuis, Silvia Pappalardi, Jorge Kurchan, Anatoli Polkovnikov, Laura Foini

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Authors (as registered SciPost users): Oscar Bouverot-Dupuis · Silvia Pappalardi
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Preprint Link: https://arxiv.org/abs/2407.12103v3  (pdf)
Date submitted: 2025-01-07 10:19
Submitted by: Bouverot-Dupuis, Oscar
Submitted to: SciPost Physics
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Academic field: Physics
Specialties:
  • Condensed Matter Physics - Theory
  • Quantum Physics
Approaches: Theoretical, Computational

Abstract

We study the behavior of two-time correlation functions at late times for finite system sizes considering observables whose (one-point) average value does not depend on energy. In the long time limit, we show that such correlation functions display a ramp and a plateau determined by the correlations of energy levels, similar to what is already known for the spectral form factor. The plateau value is determined, in absence of degenerate energy levels, by the fluctuations of diagonal matrix elements, which highlights differences between different symmetry classes. We show this behavior analytically by employing results from Random Matrix Theory and the Eigenstate Thermalisation Hypothesis, and numerically by exact diagonalization in the toy example of a Hamiltonian drawn from a Random Matrix ensemble and in a more realistic example of disordered spin glasses at high temperature. Importantly, correlation functions in the ramp regime do not show self-averaging behaviour, and, at difference with the spectral form factor the time average does not coincide with the ensemble average.

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Author comments upon resubmission

Dear Editor,
we would like to thank both the referees for their valuable comments and appreciation of the results shown in the article. Following their suggestions and comments, we have edited certain parts of the manuscript. Below, we present a point-by-point response to all the queries of the referees.
Yours sincerely,
The authors

List of changes

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%\vspace{1cm}We thank the referees for their comments which allowed us to better express the novelty of our work.

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\section{Referee 1}

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\subsection{Report}

We are glad the referee appreciates the clarity of the presentation and the accuracy of the analytical and numerical results. We also thank them for the insightful comments, which we believe helped us in improving the quality of our work. Below, we address the requested changes and remarks, and we hope these revisions make the manuscript suitable for publication.\\

1. We begin by addressing concerns about the relevance of observables whose averages do not depend on energy. \\
Firstly, let us give a number of instances in where such observables are found.
Observables with temperature or energy-independent average appear, for instance, in systems with symmetries and conservation laws (in the manuscript, we focus on a system with a continuous symmetry and conservation of total magnetization), in disordered systems at high temperature, or in Floquet systems. (See the reply to the other referee for more details). Following the referee's remarks, we have added these comments in the resubmitted version.\\
Secondly, let us remark that the literature on ETH usually focuses on energy-dependent observables.
In this case, when diagonal matrix elements depend on the energy, the plateau of correlations at long times would be {\it polynomially} small in the size of the system (see, for instance, Capizzi et al. arXiv:2405.16975). This would greatly hinder the observation of the ramp, which is instead \emph{exponentially} small with the size of the system.

Nonetheless, as we mention in the paper, there has been literature pointing out in some particular case the occurrence of the ramp in correlation functions, but the previous literature discussing similar features is a bit vague on some aspects (including when to expect the occurrence of the ramp and plateau and the precise quantity to look at), so we believe it is important to state clearly all the hypotheses and the predictions.

2. Concerning the experimental significance of the exponentially small ramp and plateau, we agree with the referee that this is a subtle effect and, for this reason, it is hard to measure it experimentally.
However, let us note that these exponentially small properties that we discuss here for correlation functions, such as the ramp and plateau, are shared by the spectral form factor (SFF), which is an object widely used to diagnose chaos in quantum systems. Even if the studies on the SFF are mainly numerical experiments, they are still quite relevant in the context of many-body quantum chaos.\\
We also mention that we do not hide the difficulty of observing this effect. On the contrary, we have pointed out that, unlike for the SFF, the strong fluctuations that characterize correlation functions hide the growing behavior of the ramp, making it visible only upon ensemble average. This is another feature that has not been discussed in the previous literature on the subject.

3. Concerning the temperature-dependent generalization, we agree with the referee that the previous sentence may have been misleading. We have clarified that one needs energy-independent observables also at finite temperatures. For this reason, we referred to the generalization as straightforward''. We hope that the revised version is now more clear.

\subsection{Requested changes}

\begin{itemize} \item If diagonal matrix elements are dependent on the energy, the plateau would be {\it polynomially} small in the size of the system (see, for instance, Capizzi et al. arXiv:2405.16975). This would greatly hinder the observation of the ramp. We have added this comment in the main text.  \item At finite temperature, in the case considered here, we would still find an exponentially small plateau (in system size). On the other hand, in the presence of energy dependencies, polynomial scaling is found. We have added to the manuscript the correction due to this effect (see Eq. 36).  \end{itemize}

\section{Referee 2}

\subsection{Report}

We thank the referee for the appreciation of our work and for providing valuable feedback that has guided us in refining the manuscript. In the following, we respond to the comments and outline the changes made, which we believe address all concerns and render the manuscript ready for publication.

\subsection{Requested changes}

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We thank the referee for bringing to our attention this reference, which is definitely relevant. We have added Joshi et al, PRX 12, 011018 (2022) after Eq. 18.
Note that in our case, the shift is due to the properties of the fluctuations of diagonal matrix elements, which vary in different universality classes.

\item We thank the referee for this comment, we have now added the following discussion in the manuscript:
An observable that is protected by symmetry or a conservation law does not show any energy dependency. In this paper, we focus on the following mechanism. We consider a disordered spin system that conserves the total magnetization Mz=iσzi and restricts ourselves to one of the sectors of the Hilbert space with fixed total magnetization MZ. In the restricted Hilbert space, the thermal average of the total magnetization is, of course, Mzβ=M. Then, we consider a given site i and its local magnetization σziβ, which fluctuates depending on the disorder realization. However, upon ensemble averaging, site-permutation symmetry is restored, and ¯σziβ=M/L. Therefore, this quantity does not depend on temperature or energy. Note that this mechanism is not restricted to spin-1/2 systems but also applies to any particle system with a U(1) symmetry that implies the conservation of the total number of particles.
Other examples of such observables could be drawn from disordered systems in their paramagnetic phase and at high energies where the ensemble average due to disorder implies the vanishing of expectation values of several quantities, at least in a certain range of temperatures (for instance, the (mixed) p-spin model in the transverse field).
Similar physics has also been observed in Floquet systems and our ETH arguments can be extended to such systems.
\item We have added to Fig. 5(c) an inset with a linear scale to illustrate the negative oscillations in an interval of time within the ramp.
\item We have replaced the confusing notation C by Γ.
\item The superscript/power 1 in Eqs. (27,29,31) was actually a power 1 but the minus sign gets mixed up with the overline in expressions such as ¯ρ(E)1 (the confusion is especially apparent when using the font used by Scipost). We have added an extra padding to fix this issue as in ¯ρ(E)1.
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Current status:
Awaiting resubmission

Reports on this Submission

Report #2 by Anonymous (Referee 1) on 2025-3-3 (Invited Report)

Strengths

The paper addresses a fundamental question about autocorrelation functions in thermalizing systems. Although the feature studied here is exponentially small in the system size, the results are certainly relevant to high-precision studies of mesoscopic quantum systems.

Weaknesses

The regime where the theoretical results apply seems to be highly restricted. For now the paper focuses on the dynamics of observables whose diagonal matrix elements do not depend on energy. But, in Hamiltonian systems, and away from infinite temperatures, these matrix elements do generically depend on energy.

Report

The generic behavior in a Hamiltonian system is that there is some dependence of diagonal matrix elements on energy. Below (36), corrections are identified which are controlled by (partial_e A): how small does (partial_e A) have to be for these corrections to be negligible?

Also, since saddle point approximations are used later, do we require (partial_e A)=0 to get a ramp, or do we only require (partial_e A)=0 at the energy e0 defined by ds/de=0?

The numerical results in figures 4 and 6 are also relevant to this issue. At the beginning of 3.2.1 it is stated that ‘the average of the observable A is independent of energy’ in the GOE spin glass Hamiltonian. However, in these figures, the diagonal matrix elements have very large variations between different energy eigenstates.

There are two kinds of variations in figure 4 (left): statistical fluctuations which are expected to get smaller with increasing system size (according to the ETH) and a (more concerning) smooth dependence on energy. Based on the L=12 data in figure 4, it looks possible that a smooth dependence on energy will survive as L is increased. This raises questions over the applicability of analytical results that neglect this dependence. Similarly, on the left in figure 6, it looks like a smooth dependence of the diagonal matrix elements on energy will survive at large L.

This said, there is a linear ramp in e.g. figure 7(a). Is it possible that a ramp survives for much more general observables (than those whose diagonal matrix elements have no energy dependence) just because the quantity studied numerically is the infinite-temperature autocorrelation function? (which is dominated by energy densities with ds/de=0)

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Ask for minor revision

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Report #1 by Anonymous (Referee 2) on 2025-1-20 (Invited Report)

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The revised version of this paper takes account of the suggestions made in my first report, and (so far as I can see) of the suggestions made by the other referee.

I think that most of the changes are satisfactory, but I am disappointed that the reference to Joshi et al, PRX 12, 011018 (2022) that I suggested has been made in the most minimal possible way, as an extra sentence below Eq 18 and without any mention in the introduction.

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