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Beyond-mean-field analysis of the Townes soliton and its breathing mode

by Dmitry S. Petrov

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Authors (as registered SciPost users): Dmitry Petrov
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Preprint Link: scipost_202412_00042v2  (pdf)
Date submitted: April 15, 2025, 7:46 p.m.
Submitted by: Dmitry Petrov
Submitted to: SciPost Physics
Ontological classification
Academic field: Physics
Specialties:
  • Atomic, Molecular and Optical Physics - Theory
Approach: Theoretical

Abstract

By using the Bogoliubov perturbation theory we describe the self-bound ground state and excited breathing states of $N$ two-dimensional bosons with zero-range attractive interactions. Our results for the ground state energy $B_N$ and size $R_N$ improve previously known large-$N$ asymptotes and we better understand the crossover to the few-body regime. The oscillatory breathing motion results from the quantum-mechanical breaking of the mean-field scaling symmetry. The breathing-mode frequency scales as $\Omega\propto |B_N|/\sqrt{N}$ at large $N$.

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Author comments upon resubmission

Dear Editors,

I am grateful to the Referees for their careful reading of the manuscript, for their very positive opinion, and for valuable comments and suggestions. I have modified the manuscript according to their suggestions. I hope that you find the revised version suitable for publication.

Sincerely,
Dmitry Petrov

List of changes

The derivation of the mean-field action is rewritten and I discuss the mean-field evolution in more detail (Sec.2).
The hierarchy of energy scales and the logic behind the perturbative expansion are explained in a new paragraph in the end of Sec.2.
I modified the derivation of the formula for the beyond-mean-field correction (Sec.3). The regularization is now introduced from the very beginning, the logarithmic dependence on the cutoff is derived explicitly, and the meaning of xi is explained more clearly.
I modified the discussion on the adiabaticity in Sec.4. I added a few references as recommended by Referee 1.
A few misprints are fixed.
No modification of the results or figures.
Current status:
Has been resubmitted

Reports on this Submission

Report #2 by Anonymous (Referee 2) on 2025-5-23 (Invited Report)

Strengths

  1. The manuscript now adds more details and insights on calculations.

  2. Presents advanced analysis to expand previous results beyong mean-field manifold.

Weaknesses

Nothing in particular since all the comments have been taken care of.

Report

The authors have meticulously added all the details and comments referees requested, and now the manuscript appears clearer.

Requested changes

None.

Recommendation

Publish (surpasses expectations and criteria for this Journal; among top 10%)

  • validity: high
  • significance: high
  • originality: high
  • clarity: high
  • formatting: good
  • grammar: good

Author:  Dmitry Petrov  on 2025-05-28  [id 5530]

(in reply to Report 2 on 2025-05-23)

I warmly thank the referee.

Report #1 by Anonymous (Referee 1) on 2025-5-18 (Invited Report)

  • Cite as: Anonymous, Report on arXiv:scipost_202412_00042v2, delivered 2025-05-18, doi: 10.21468/SciPost.Report.11209

Strengths

  1. The manuscript highlights subtle issues in the quantum dynamics of cold atomic clouds

  2. The general idea is (relatively) straightforward to follow

  3. The problem is potentially of high relevance in view of next experiments

Weaknesses

  1. No longer applicable. The main weaknesses have been solved

Report

The changes done on the manuscript by the author are satisfactory. I can now recommend publication on SciPost Physics.

A couple of minor optional (but warmly welcome) further suggestions:

-the abstract is still a bit technical. E.g., I don't like having formulas in there. The author may consider reformulating it in a more accessible way. Also the last paragraph of the intro may be made more accessible and slightly more detailed.

-on pag.5, I am puzzled by the formula |g-gc|~g^2<<|gc|. I don't see what it means to formally set g=gc. The author should spend a few words to explain what he has in mind.

-when discussing after eq.(27) the condition for adiabaticity, the author mentions the risk of non-adiabatic features at large R, but says nothing on what may happen at smnall R. Even though the gap is here the largest, I see from Fig.1 that the effective potential grows very fast. I am therefore wondering if the strong acceleration felt around this left turning point may induce any additional adiabatic effect.

Requested changes

  1. Take into due consideration my suggestions for (optional) revisions

Recommendation

Publish (surpasses expectations and criteria for this Journal; among top 10%)

  • validity: high
  • significance: top
  • originality: top
  • clarity: high
  • formatting: perfect
  • grammar: perfect

Author:  Dmitry Petrov  on 2025-05-27  [id 5529]

(in reply to Report 1 on 2025-05-18)
Category:
answer to question

I warmly thank Referee #1 for this report and suggestions. Here is my response.

Referee:
-the abstract is still a bit technical. E.g., I don't like having formulas in there. The author may consider reformulating it in a more accessible way. Also the last paragraph of the intro may be made more accessible and slightly more detailed.

Response:
This formula is there on purpose to attract attention. In any case, given its level of complexity, I think that this is really a question of personal style. I take this opportunity to make the following change in the abstract, hopefully compatible with the Referee's request as it increases the text-to-formula ratio and makes the abstract slightly more informative. I replace the sentence

"The oscillatory breathing motion results from the quantum-mechanical breaking of the mean-field scaling symmetry."

by

"The breathing oscillations, absent on the mean-field level, result from the quantum-mechanical breaking of the mean-field scale symmetry."

In the last paragraph of the introduction I added a couple of clarifying sentences about the preexponential term and about conjectures made at the end of the article.


Referee:
-on pag.5, I am puzzled by the formula |g-gc|~g^2<<|gc|. I don't see what it means to formally set g=gc. The author should spend a few words to explain what he has in mind.

Response:
I am interested in the systematic expansion of the energy in powers of g. The Bogoliubov level corresponds to terms ~g^2. The beyond-mean-field correction is of this order of magnitude. Thus, when calculating it with the Bogoliubov accuracy I can replace g by g_c since the difference g-g_c is of higher order. I think this should be understandable from the context (see the paragraph preceding the discussion and the last paragraph of Sec.2). Nevertheless, I added the sentence "Distinguishing between $g$ and $g_c$ in this case would exceed the Bogoliubov accuracy." To avoid confusion I also replaced "to formally set g=g_c" by "to use the approximation g=g_c". I hope this is more clear now.

All this discussion would be much more straightforward, if I could just set g=g_c from the very beginning. However, as I explain in the text, I cannot do this because of the constraints on the potential range. So, I have to keep g different from g_c, but the difference can be chosen to be of higher order. This choice is made possible by the fact that the dependence of g on h is very slow and that effective-range corrections are algebraic in h, i.e., exponentially small as a function of g.

Referee:
-when discussing after eq.(27) the condition for adiabaticity, the author mentions the risk of non-adiabatic features at large R, but says nothing on what may happen at smnall R. Even though the gap is here the largest, I see from Fig.1 that the effective potential grows very fast. I am therefore wondering if the strong acceleration felt around this left turning point may induce any additional adiabatic effect.

Response:
As far as I know, the adiabatic theorem does not impose constraints on the acceleration.

I guess that account of the acceleration may lead to quantitative corrections, but I do not know how important they are. In the paper I argue that breaking of the adiabatic condition at large R may lead to a qualitatively different description of the higher part of the spectrum just below the continuum. It is not obvious to me that nonadiabatic effects at the left turning point can lead to qualitatively important consequences. At least, being close or far from the threshold E=0 does not seem to play a big role there. We can as well discuss the left and right turning points of small-amplitude oscillations.

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