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Operator entanglement in $\mathrm{SU}(2)$-symmetric dissipative quantum many-body dynamics

by Lin Zhang

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Authors (as registered SciPost users): Lin Zhang
Submission information
Preprint Link: scipost_202505_00049v1  (pdf)
Date submitted: May 21, 2025, 10:22 p.m.
Submitted by: Zhang, Lin
Submitted to: SciPost Physics
Ontological classification
Academic field: Physics
Specialties:
  • Condensed Matter Physics - Computational
  • Quantum Physics
Approaches: Theoretical, Computational

Abstract

The presence of symmetries can lead to nontrivial dynamics of operator entanglement in open quantum many-body systems, which characterizes the cost of an matrix product density operator (MPDO) representation of the density matrix in the tensor-network methods and provides a measure for the corresponding classical simulability. One example is the $\mathrm{U}(1)$-symmetric open quantum systems with dephasing, in which the operator entanglement increases logarithmically at late times instead of being suppressed by the dephasing. Here we numerically study the far-from-equilibrium dynamics of operator entanglement in a dissipative quantum many-body system with the more complicated $\mathrm{SU}(2)$ symmetry and dissipations beyond dephasing. We show that after the initial rise and fall, the operator entanglement also increases again in a logarithmic manner at late times in the $\mathrm{SU}(2)$-symmetric case. We find that this behavior can be fully understood from the corresponding $\mathrm{U}(1)$ subsymmetry by considering the symmetry-resolved operator entanglement. But unlike the $\mathrm{U}(1)$-symmetric case with dephasing, both the classical Shannon entropy associated with the probabilities for the half system being in different symmetry sectors and the corresponding symmetry-resolved operator entanglement have nontrivial contributions to the late time logarithmic growth of operator entanglement. Our results show evidence that the logarithmic growth of operator entanglement at long times is a generic behavior of dissipative quantum many-body dynamics with $\mathrm{U}(1)$ as the symmetry or subsymmetry and for more broad dissipations beyond dephasing. We show that the latter is valid even for open quantum systems with only $\mathrm{U}(1)$ symmetry by breaking the $\mathrm{SU}(2)$ symmetry of our quantum dynamics to $\mathrm{U}(1)$.

Author indications on fulfilling journal expectations

  • Provide a novel and synergetic link between different research areas.
  • Open a new pathway in an existing or a new research direction, with clear potential for multi-pronged follow-up work
  • Detail a groundbreaking theoretical/experimental/computational discovery
  • Present a breakthrough on a previously-identified and long-standing research stumbling block

Author comments upon resubmission

Dear Editor,

We hereby resubmit our manuscript "Operator entanglement in SU(2)-symmetric dissipative quantum many-body dynamics" for further consideration of publication in SciPost Physics. We would like to thank you and the referees for reviewing our work. In this resubmission, we have addressed all the comments/suggestions raised by the referees (see our response to the reports) and significantly updated the manuscript (the changes have been highlighted in red color for your convenience). We believe that this new version now meets the SciPost Physics acceptance criterion and is suitable for publication in SciPost Physics. We hope you and the referees will also agree with this.

Sincerely Yours,
Lin Zhang

List of changes

The revisions and updates have been highlighted in red color. Major changes include: 1. Fig. 2 and Fig. 3 have been updated. 2. A new section “Details on numerical convergence” and Fig. 5 have been added in the Appendix to show the numerical convergence of our results. 3. The definition of symmetry-resolved operator entanglement has been added in Sec. 4. 4. The discussion about the connections and differences between our work and Refs. [42, 43] has been added in Sec. 5.2.

Current status:
Awaiting resubmission

Reports on this Submission

Report #3 by Anonymous (Referee 3) on 2025-6-16 (Invited Report)

Strengths

  1. Same as in first version

Weaknesses

  1. The improvements in the resubmitted version are very minor, and the main weakness remains (lack of analytical insights)

Report

The author has made minor changes to the manuscript. I stick to my first impression that the paper satisfies the Scipost Physics expectation 'Detail a groundbreaking theoretical/experimental/computational discovery' but that the other expectations are not met. [The author argues that 'the work also established a synergetic link between the quantum information theory, open quantum many-body dynamics, and non-Abelian symmetries', but I disagree with that. With all the works inspired by the study of entanglement in quantum many-body systems over the past 20 years, such links are now standard in these areas. The manuscript is also not the first to consider operator entanglement for open systems with non-Abelian strong symmetry, as this was done in Ref. [42]. It is, however, the first to consider symmetry-resolved operator entanglement for non-Abelian symmetry, to my knowledge.]

I thank the author for his detailed answers to my comments, but, unfortunately, I think some of them are unsatisfactory (see below). I would ask for further improvements, without which I cannot recommend this paper for publication in Scipost Physics.

Requested changes

Points raised in my first report that I feel have been answered unsatisfactorily:

  1. In his answer to my comment, the author writes

'We would like to note that the definition of symmetry-resolved operator entanglement in Ref. [59] is actually the same as the one introduced in our manuscript and Ref. [38].'

That is not correct, because the action of the charge operator considered in [38] and [59] is not the same: for a charge operator $Q = Q_A + Q_B$, Ref. [38] considers the case of a density matrix that satisfies

$$Q \rho = 0$$
and then organizes the terms in the Schmidt decomposition as
$$ \rho = \sum_{q,j} \lambda_{q,j} O_{A,q,j} \otimes O_{B,-q,j} $$
where
$$ Q_A O_{A,q,j} = q O_{A,q,j} \qquad Q_B O_{B,-q,j} = -q O_{B,-q,j} . $$
There is another natural way to define symmetry-resolved operator entanglement, considered in Refs. [59], and which is different. There, one looks at a density matrix that satisfies
$$[Q, \rho] = 0$$
and one organizes the terms according to the charge $q$ given by
$$[Q_A, O_{A,q,j}] = q O_{A,q,j} \qquad [Q_B, O_{B,-q,j}] = -q O_{B,-q,j} $$
I think it is important to avoid confusion as much as possible, and to make it clear that the definition used by the author is similar to the one in Ref. [38], but is different from the one of Refs. [59,61].

Also, the way the author refers to previous works on this topic in the new version is still very confusing. The author writes:

'It is useful to also introduce the symmetry-resolved operator entanglement, which has attracted extensive attention recently [56-61].'

But Refs. [56,57,58] considered state entanglement, not operator entanglement. Refs. [59,61] did consider operator entanglement, but the definition of the symmetry resolution is different, as explained above. Of all the references cited by the author here, only Ref. [60] is actually about the right topic.

  1. In his report the author insists that the situation is more complicated than in the U(1) case of Ref. [38]. That is fine. But then, about the limit of strong dissipation, he writes:

'Moreover, since our model contains dissipation proportional to the dipole interaction between neighbor sites, even in the strong dissipation limit it is still hard to identify the density matrix ρ satisfying $\mathcal{L}_0 (\rho) = \sum_i (L_i \rho L_i^\dagger - { L_i^\dagger L_i , \rho }/2) = 0$ and the corresponding projector $P$ onto these states, which makes the usual perturbation theory also unrealistic for our model.'

I do not understand this comment. I would think that, since the dissipators $L_i$ are the projectors on the singlet on sites $i$ and $i+1$, they generate the whole commutant of SU(2) in the representation $(1/2)^{\otimes N}$, so by standard uniqueness theorem [A. Frigerio, 'Quantum dynamical semigroups and approach to equilibrium', Lett. Math. Phys. 2, 79 (1977)], [Evans, 'Irreducible quantum dynamical semigroups', Commun. Math. Phys. 54 293 (1977)], [Spohn, ' An algebraic condition for the approach to equilibrium of an open N-level system', Letters in Mathematical Physics, 2, 33-38 (1977)] the steady state must be unique and it must be the projector on the spin-$0$ representation of SU(2). Is it not the case? If not, why?

Recommendation

Ask for minor revision

  • validity: high
  • significance: high
  • originality: good
  • clarity: high
  • formatting: good
  • grammar: good

Report #2 by Anonymous (Referee 2) on 2025-6-12 (Invited Report)

Strengths

1 The author addressed in a satisfactory way all the criticisms of the referees. The paper is numerically accurate.

Weaknesses

The paper lacks an intuitive understanding of the results

Report

In the resubmission the author addressed in a satisfactory way the criticisms of the referees. I agree with the author that it is extremely challenging to obtain an analytical or intuitive understanding of the results. That I think would have definitely made the paper appropriate for Scipost Physics. In conclusion I agree with referee 1 that although the results are interesting and the paper provides a valuable result, it should be published in Scipost Physics Core .

Recommendation

Accept in alternative Journal (see Report)

  • validity: top
  • significance: good
  • originality: good
  • clarity: high
  • formatting: excellent
  • grammar: excellent

Report #1 by Anonymous (Referee 1) on 2025-6-9 (Invited Report)

Strengths

1- The author has addressed the required changes. In particular the addition in terms of a convergence discussion gives the numerical results now sufficient credibility.

Weaknesses

1- All 3 reports have highlighted the lack of a clearer analytical/intuitive understanding.

Report

I thank the Author for addressing the shortcomings in the previous version of the manuscript. With the implemented changes the Author has significantly enhanced the manuscript and in my opnion it now only needs very minor stylistic modifications.

Naturally, at this stage, the judgement of acceptance criteria being fulfilled or not is to some extent subjective. But, in my opinion, I do not agree with the argument concerning the "synergetic link" between research fields. Clearly the manuscript has a synergetic character, however, to me this work is not a major article establishing this link for the first time.

Consequently it boils down to the question to what extent this work "details a groundbreaking discovery". Here, while I very much appreciate this manuscript and the additional knowledge that it brings to the field, I think the fact that all 3 Referee reports criticized the lack of a clearer analytical understanding should be weighed in. Analytical understanding here could not only mean a calculation in a perturbative limit, but could also just be a more intuitive picture about the origins of the observation. Here, I don't see enough novel insight that would warrant a publication in SciPost Physics. However, the new numerical insight is definitely interesting and should be published in SciPost Physics Core.

Requested changes

1- I still don't fully agree with the terminology "measure for classical simulability", even if it is meant exclusively for MPDO representations. "Measure" suggests that a direct connection is mathematically established. In the case of the Shannon entropy used in Eq. (3) this is not entirely clear. See e.g. discussion in the original paper concerning MPS Simulability [Schuch et al., PRL 100, 030504 (2008)].

2- Minor typos: "later" -> "latter" (Appendix)

Recommendation

Accept in alternative Journal (see Report)

  • validity: top
  • significance: ok
  • originality: ok
  • clarity: high
  • formatting: good
  • grammar: excellent

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