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Fracton magnetohydrodynamics
by Marvin Qi, Oliver Hart, Aaron J. Friedman, Rahul Nandkishore, Andrew Lucas
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Authors (as registered SciPost users):  Aaron Friedman · Oliver Hart · Rahul Nandkishore 
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Preprint Link:  https://arxiv.org/abs/2205.05695v1 (pdf) 
Date submitted:  20220516 20:56 
Submitted by:  Hart, Oliver 
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Abstract
We extend recent work on hydrodynamics with global multipolar symmetries  known as "fracton hydrodynamics"  to systems in which the multipolar symmetries are gauged. We refer to the latter as "fracton magnetohydrodynamics", in analogy to magnetohydrodynamics (MHD), which governs systems with gauged charge conservation. Fracton MHD arises naturally from higherrank Maxwell's equations and in systems with oneform symmetries obeying certain constraints; while we focus on "minimal" higherrank generalizations of MHD that realize diffusion, our methods may also be used to identify other, more exotic hydrodynamic theories (e.g., with magnetic subdiffusion). In contrast to phenomenological MHD, our approach  based on higherform symmetries  provides a systematic treatment of hydrodynamics beyond "weak coupling", and provides an effective hydrodynamic description, e.g., of quantum spin liquids, whose emergent gauge fields are strongly coupled.
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Anonymous Report 3 on 202274 (Invited Report)
 Cite as: Anonymous, Report on arXiv:2205.05695v1, delivered 20220704, doi: 10.21468/SciPost.Report.5328
Strengths
The paper is pedagogical and easy to read
Weaknesses
The framework is introduced without a specific physical motivation
Report
The authors study diffusion of magnetic charges of the fraction type. Although the paper is an interesting generalisation of the previous developments there are several points that need to be addressed
1. The authors refer to their framework as “fracton magnetohydrodynamics”. Traditionally magnetofluid dynamics is the study of the magnetic properties and behavior of electrically conducting fluids i.e. systems that conserve momentum. On the other hand diffusion refers to the conservation of charge without momentum conservation. Equations considered in the paper do not conserve momentum and I do not see a reason to call the framework “magnetohydrodynamics” instead of diffusion. This is really confusing and dates back to the ref. [14] and subsequent works on the lattice models. At the time of ref. [14] no examples of hydrodynamic theories were known that conserved momentum. However, now this is not the case any more so it is even less justified to use the term hydrodynamics and not diffusion.
2. The authors mention that they intend to describe spin liquids. However, no examples are given. It would be beneficial for the reader to have a more detailed discussion of a physical system, which can be described by the proposed formalism. By now there are several different examples of spin liquids and not all of them have the same emergent gauge fields.
3. Several phenomenological relaxation times are assumed in the equations. However, given the emphasis on the symmetry arguments to constrain the form of equations, similar analysis should be introduced for these phenomenological coefficients.
Anonymous Report 2 on 2022627 (Invited Report)
 Cite as: Anonymous, Report on arXiv:2205.05695v1, delivered 20220627, doi: 10.21468/SciPost.Report.5298
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The authors develop a theory of magnetohydrodynamics for the higherrank gauge fields arising in fractonic systems. The core results of the paper are both timely and interesting, for example, the striking prediction of magnetic subdiffusion in fractonic MHD.
However, I did find some aspects of the presentation distracting, particularly the repeated claim that the approach in this work is fundamentally more rigorous and wellcontrolled than standard, “phenomenological” magnetohydrodynamics. I agree that the idea of Ref. 48, that flux conservation in MHD can be thought of as a slow mode arising from higherform symmetry, is an appealing way to interpret the MHD equations. But it seems to me that the actual physical predictions in the paper could have been derived entirely within the phenomenological framework that the authors suggest is obsolete.
I therefore request that the authors either globally soften their language before publication, or better justify their claims.
In particular, if there is anything in these results that could not have been derived using the standard method, it would help to make clear where the conclusions of the two approaches differ. If there is no material difference, it would be worth trying to address why the standard method works so well beyond weak coupling.
For example, the discussion in the paper (and the claim in the earlier Ref. 48) has me wondering whether the standard derivation of MHD needs to invoke a weakcoupling assumption at all. Supposing the system has even one hydrodynamic mode (e.g. energy), one can coarsegrain the Maxwell equations to obtain a system of macroscopic Maxwell equations at the length and time scales associated with this hydrodynamic mode (using one of the many possible approaches in the literature). The linearization of these equations then yields linear response dynamics of the full system of matter+fields, and as usual, will predict conservation of magnetic flux density/decay of the other fields.
This procedure works because the Maxwell equations are linear: the linearized, macroscopic Maxwell equations have the same mathematical form as the microscopic Maxwell equations. I wonder whether it is this aspect of the Maxwell theory (i.e. linearity) that means the phenomenological approach yields qualitatively correct predictions, rather than the weakcoupling assumption. (This might be one distinction from e.g. YangMills.)
My specific comments on the manuscript are as follows:
1. On the question of standard MHD vs 1form symmetries, please consider revising the following:
Abstract: “In contrast to phenomenological MHD, our approach based on higherform symmetries provides a systematic treatment of hydrodynamics beyond weak coupling, and provides an effective hydrodynamic description, e.g., of quantum spin liquids, whose emergent gauge fields are strongly coupled.”
I think this sentence overstates the level of rigor of the paper, as it is written. The approach of the authors is also phenomenological and e.g. uses the relaxation time approximation. It is also only “systematic” insofar as the oneform symmetry is exact, which is never true for emergent gauge fields as arise in condensed matter settings.
p2: “Somewhat surprisingly, this was not carefully done even for ordinary electromagnetism until the past decade”
This seems to dismiss all the (vast) previous literature on this topic as “careless”, which is unlikely to be the case. In particular, whether the magnetic slow mode is interpreted as local conservation of flux density or as a consequence of global 1form symmetry is to some extent a matter of taste, and does not obviously depend on the coupling strength. Please consider revising.
p4: “This approach, based on higherform symmetries, has significant conceptual advantages over more familiar phenomenological derivations of MHD. Specifically, whereas phenomenological derivations of MHD are limited in their validity to regimes wherein the gauge fields and matter are weakly coupled [48], the symmetrybased approach involving higher forms is valid for arbitrary coupling. In the context of emergent gauge theories in quantum spin liquids, there is no reason a priori to expect weak coupling between the matter and gauge fields [54]. An approach predicated on weak coupling is therefore suspect, and a more general approach—e.g., based on higherform symmetries—is required…We emphasize that, while we focus on fractonic systems, our approach also applies to conventional spin liquids in the strongly coupled regime, where conventional phenomenological approaches may be uncontrolled.”
I am not entirely convinced by this line of reasoning for the reasons discussed above. First, the higherform symmetry is itself usually an approximation in physical realizations where alpha is believed to be large and the gauge field is emergent. Second, it appears that the part of the paper relevant to conventional spin liquids (i.e. Sec. II) recovers the conclusions of the conventional MHD approach, as taken in Ref. [62].
I therefore ask that the authors either soften their wording, or more carefully justify how leadingorder, linearresponse MHD requires the weakcoupling assumption – if this recovers the same conclusions as the authors’ approach, it is not clear to me how important the assumption really is.
p5: More interestingly, we interpret this result independently of the somewhatphenomenological
approach. We show that higherrank MHD naturally arises as a consequence of the theory's
oneform symmetry when the conserved density corresponding to that oneform obeys certain global constraints.
The treatment in the paper is also somewhat phenomenological – please word more carefully. Does interpreting the result in terms of oneform symmetry change any physical predictions?
Conclusion: “The theories we have presented should provide the generic long time description of the quantum dynamics (at nonzero charge density) of fractonic phases of quantum matter most readily realized in experiment. Additionally, they should also provide the long time description for conventional spin liquid phases of quantum matter, where they have the advantage (relative to phenomenological approaches) of not relying on a weak coupling assumption.”
Please specify whether any new results are being claimed for conventional spin liquids, compared to existing predictions from phenomenological approaches. Also, the authors defer discussion of experiments to later work, but I am nevertheless curious which of the predictions in the paper they expect to be testable soonest (and in which material candidates etc.)
2. p8: “Generally speaking, sigma could be a matrix; however, we must construct sigma out of SO(3)invariant objects: Since the only compatible such matrix is the identity, sigma reduces to a scalar”
Here it might be worth reminding the reader that SO(3) symmetry is being assumed throughout.
3. Sec. 2.3: It is not clear to me that SO(3) irreps are the most geometrically natural way to interpret this simplification – it looks like going from Eq. 2.20 to Eq. 2.22 is actually exploiting Hodge duality in the specific case that J_{ij} defines the components of a twoform. I am curious whether some of the new hydrodynamic equations elsewhere in the paper admit a similar geometrical formulation.
4. Eq. 2.29: I was a little confused by the arguments here based on time reversal, under which macroscopic reactive and dissipative terms generally behave differently. Perhaps oddness of the physical current under spatial inversion would be a more rigorous way to argue for allowed terms?
Author: Oliver Hart on 20220816 [id 2735]
(in reply to Report 2 on 20220627)
The authors develop a theory of magnetohydrodynamics for the higherrank gauge fields arising in fractonic systems. The core results of the paper are both timely and interesting, for example, the striking prediction of magnetic subdiffusion in fractonic MHD.
However, I did find some aspects of the presentation distracting, particularly the repeated claim that the approach in this work is fundamentally more rigorous and wellcontrolled than standard, "phenomenological" magnetohydrodynamics. I agree that the idea of Ref. 48, that flux conservation in MHD can be thought of as a slow mode arising from higherform symmetry, is an appealing way to interpret the MHD equations. But it seems to me that the actual physical predictions in the paper could have been derived entirely within the phenomenological framework that the authors suggest is obsolete.
I therefore request that the authors either globally soften their language before publication, or better justify their claims.
We thank the referee for reviewing our manuscript and for their overall positive assessment of our work. The referee's points about our references to prior works (and comparisons to our work) are well taken. We have made changes throughout the manuscript to remedy the poor phrasing, which we describe in detail below and in the list of changes that will accompany our resubmission.
Importantly, we now characterize prior works not based on oneform symmetries as "semimicroscopic", rather than "phenomenological", and acknowledge that certain aspects of our manuscript (particularly the invocation of linear response) could be viewed as "phenomenological". Generally speaking, the equations of magnetohydrodynamics, as derived in classic literature, assume an approximate separability of the matter and electromagnetic stress tensors. This is, in practice, a weak coupling assumption—see also our response to the next point. An advantage of the symmetrybased approach, first emphasized in [PRD 95, 096003], is that one can use hydrodynamic principles to recover a coarsegrained theory of the longtime and longwavelength dynamics of the fields themselves in the most physically relevant and interesting regimes, where fields are very strong and there may not be a clean separation between the matter and EM stress tensors. In general, the slow modes correspond to conserved quantities, and the advantage of our approach is that we derive our equations of motion using coarsegrained considerations of oneform symmetries, as opposed to a combination of microscopic equations.
While it is certainly possible in general for these two formulations to give equivalent results, in the semimicroscopic case, there is no intuition for why the longwavelength physics one recovers ought to be universal. On the other hand, in the symmetrybased (effective theory) approach, this is quite transparent. Our derivation provides a valid description of the longwavelength physics in arbitrary regimes, though equivalent results can be obtained using the semimicroscopic framework, as we show in a few cases (e.g., in sections 2.2.2, 3.2.2, and 4.3.2 in the updated manuscript). Alternatively, the symmetrybased approach tells us why the semimicroscopic approach behaves in the way that it does: because of the underlying higherform symmetries. However, the existence of that symmetry is the only necessary prerequisite, and so while both approaches give rise to (sub)diffusion, the system need not be described by the exact semimicroscopic equations of motion to reach this same conclusion. Hence, the advantage of the "symmetrybased" approach—as opposed to the "semimicroscopic" approach—is primarily conceptual, but may also extend the regime of validity of the semimicroscopic approach (as opposed to predicting "new" results). We provide further details below in response to particular points made by the referee.
In particular, if there is anything in these results that could not have been derived using the standard method, it would help to make clear where the conclusions of the two approaches differ. If there is no material difference, it would be worth trying to address why the standard method works so well beyond weak coupling
For example, the discussion in the paper (and the claim in the earlier Ref. 48) has me wondering whether the standard derivation of MHD needs to invoke a weakcoupling assumption at all. Supposing the system has even one hydrodynamic mode (e.g. energy), one can coarsegrain the Maxwell equations to obtain a system of macroscopic Maxwell equations at the length and time scales associated with this hydrodynamic mode (using one of the many possible approaches in the literature). The linearization of these equations then yields linear response dynamics of the full system of matter+fields, and as usual, will predict conservation of magnetic flux density/decay of the other fields.
As indicated above, it is likely the case that similar or identical results could be derived using the semimicroscopic formalism. However, we believe our approach—rooted in symmetries and coarse graining—is better suited to the problem at hand, and gives reliable results in generic regimes. A useful analogy is to kinetic theory versus hydrodynamics: Although the two frameworks often agree (e.g., with respect to electron flow in wires), there are systems that are well described by hydrodynamics but not by kinetic theory. For many systems, including liquid water, kinetic theory is not accurate, as it fails to account for strong multiparticle correlations. Thus, there are conceptual advantages to using the hydrodynamic description from the outset in scenarios where it is valid (the regime of validity of hydrodynamics is well established in the literature), rather than using the more microscopic kinetic theory, even in situations where the two agree. In systems wherein the frameworks agree, they are formally related—and arguably equivalent; however, the hydrodynamic approach correctly captures the important physics of the longestlived degrees of freedom in the system (corresponding to symmetries), and is capable of describing, e.g., liquid water, while kinetic theory is not. Thus, while we expect that equivalent results may be recovered using the semimicroscopic prescription of conventional MHD as applied to charged matter coupled to higherrank gauge fields, we believe our approach to be more direct and conceptually more clear. It is also possible that recovering our particular results would require extra assumptions in the semimicroscopic approach, which are inherent to (and well justified) in the hydrodynamic approach we utilize.
This procedure works because the Maxwell equations are linear: the linearized, macroscopic Maxwell equations have the same mathematical form as the microscopic Maxwell equations. I wonder whether it is this aspect of the Maxwell theory (i.e. linearity) that means the phenomenological approach yields qualitatively correct predictions, rather than the weakcoupling assumption. (This might be one distinction from e.g. YangMills.)
The procedure yields linearized Maxwell's equations because, within the hydrodynamic limit we consider, deviations from the linearized Maxwell's equations are subleading in the hydrodynamic expansion. However, this itself can be interpreted as a prediction of our hydrodynamic formalism since, in the context of emergent electromagnetism (or in the more familiar context of Maxwell's equations in matter, where, e.g., the polarization may depend nonlinearly on the electric field), the microscopic Maxwell's equations can be nonlinear. Part of the utility of our hydrodynamic formalism (as opposed to the semimicroscopic approach) is that the hydrodynamic coarsegraining procedure itself can be used to check that such nonlinear terms are irrelevant to the longwavelength physics.
 On the question of standard MHD vs 1form symmetries, please consider revising the following:
"In contrast to phenomenological MHD, our approach based on higherform symmetries provides a systematic treatment of hydrodynamics beyond weak coupling, and provides an effective hydrodynamic description, e.g., of quantum spin liquids, whose emergent gauge fields are strongly coupled."
I think this sentence overstates the level of rigor of the paper, as it is written. The approach of the authors is also phenomenological and e.g. uses the relaxation time approximation. It is also only "systematic" insofar as the oneform symmetry is exact, which is never true for emergent gauge fields as arise in condensed matter settings.
The sentence has been rephrased and toned down. The sentence now focuses, instead, on the fact that our work elucidates the origin of the (sub)diffusive behavior of the magnetic field tensor.
“Somewhat surprisingly, this was not carefully done even for ordinary electromagnetism until the past decade”
This seems to dismiss all the (vast) previous literature on this topic as "careless", which is unlikely to be the case. In particular, whether the magnetic slow mode is interpreted as local conservation of flux density or as a consequence of global 1form symmetry is to some extent a matter of taste, and does not obviously depend on the coupling strength. Please consider revising.
We have remedied this poor phrasing by replacing "this was not carefully done even for ordinary electromagnetism" with "a firstprinciples derivation of magnetohydrodynamics using oneform symmetries was not done".
"This approach, based on higherform symmetries, has significant conceptual advantages over more familiar phenomenological derivations of MHD. Specifically, whereas phenomenological derivations of MHD are limited in their validity to regimes wherein the gauge fields and matter are weakly coupled [48], the symmetrybased approach involving higher forms is valid for arbitrary coupling. In the context of emergent gauge theories in quantum spin liquids, there is no reason a priori to expect weak coupling between the matter and gauge fields [54]. An approach predicated on weak coupling is therefore suspect, and a more general approach—e.g., based on higherform symmetries—is required...We emphasize that, while we focus on fractonic systems, our approach also applies to conventional spin liquids in the strongly coupled regime, where conventional phenomenological approaches may be uncontrolled."
I am not entirely convinced by this line of reasoning for the reasons discussed above. First, the higherform symmetry is itself usually an approximation in physical realizations where alpha is believed to be large and the gauge field is emergent. Second, it appears that the part of the paper relevant to conventional spin liquids (i.e. Sec. II) recovers the conclusions of the conventional MHD approach, as taken in Ref. [62].
I therefore ask that the authors either soften their wording, or more carefully justify how leadingorder, linearresponse MHD requires the weakcoupling assumption—if this recovers the same conclusions as the authors' approach, it is not clear to me how important the assumption really is.
As we emphasized above, the main advantage of the new, "symmetrybased", perspective is primarily conceptual—it illustrates the underlying symmetries responsible for unusual diffusive or subdiffusive dynamics of the magnetic field tensor. Arguably, the underlying mechanism for this behavior would not have been understood without our perspective (as was the case for MHD as a theory with a oneform symmetry).
Nevertheless, we have toned down the wording used in the introduction, which we have modified to represent the advantages of our approach more accurately.
More interestingly, we interpret this result independently of the somewhatphenomenological approach. We show that higherrank MHD naturally arises as a consequence of the theory's oneform symmetry when the conserved density corresponding to that oneform obeys certain global constraints.
The treatment in the paper is also somewhat phenomenological – please word more carefully. Does interpreting the result in terms of oneform symmetry change any physical predictions?
In line with our reasoning given above, we have replaced "somewhatphenomenological" with "semimicroscopic", which we believe better highlights the differences between the two approaches.
"The theories we have presented should provide the generic long time description of the quantum dynamics (at nonzero charge density) of fractonic phases of quantum matter most readily realized in experiment. Additionally, they should also provide the long time description for conventional spin liquid phases of quantum matter, where they have the advantage (relative to phenomenological approaches) of not relying on a weak coupling assumption."
Please specify whether any new results are being claimed for conventional spin liquids, compared to existing predictions from phenomenological approaches. Also, the authors defer discussion of experiments to later work, but I am nevertheless curious which of the predictions in the paper they expect to be testable soonest (and in which material candidates etc.)
In regards to material candidates, experimental realizations, and/or microscopic Hamiltonians, we refer the referee to our more detailed response to point 2. of referee 3. In short, the statement "most readily realized in experiment" that appeared in our conclusion referred to the implementation of gauged—rather than global—multipolar symmetries, which has been clarified in the updated paragraph.
The referee raises an interesting point regarding experimental signatures that may be derived from our results. We would like to stress that our manuscript is concerned with identifying and, importantly, understanding the universal behavior that derives from higherrank Maxwell's equations (or a theory with a oneform symmetry obeying the constraints we enumerate). The consideration of experimental signatures thereof requires writing down a particular microscopic lattice model that gives rise to these equations of motion at long wave lengths. This would explain how the longwavelength degrees of freedom are related to the microscopic ones, and hence, how the emergent higherrank gauge fields couple to external (i.e., applied) fields that can be used to probe the system. Evidently, this step is predicated on the existence of candidate material realizations, and we hope that our work will provide motivation for identifying such candidate materials.
"Generally speaking, sigma could be a matrix; however, we must construct sigma out of SO(3)invariant objects: Since the only compatible such matrix is the identity, sigma reduces to a scalar"
Here it might be worth reminding the reader that SO(3) symmetry is being assumed throughout.
We thank the referee for this suggestion. The sentence in question has been modified to remind the reader of this fact.
Sec. 2.3: It is not clear to me that SO(3) irreps are the most geometrically natural way to interpret this simplification – it looks like going from Eq. 2.20 to Eq. 2.22 is actually exploiting Hodge duality in the specific case that $J_{ij}$ defines the components of a twoform. I am curious whether some of the new hydrodynamic equations elsewhere in the paper admit a similar geometrical formulation.
We don't think it is likely that some clever applications of Hodge duality can explain the higherrank theories we describe in a new geometric light. Indeed, after spending quite some time searching for one, we have presented the best possible perspective we could find in our manuscript (i.e., that the higherrank diffusive models arise from adding certain constraints to a theory with a oneform symmetry). For example, by writing a theory with the charge density, $\rho_{ij}$, and the current, $J_{ij}$, both in the $\mathbf{5}$ of SO(3), we have already effectively used the LeviCivita tensor to write both $\rho$ and $J$ as second rank tensors (and avoid writing $\partial_t \rho_{ij} + \partial_k J_{kij}$, subsequently assuming appropriate antisymmetry properties of $J_{kij}$), which is about as far as Hodgeduality can get you.
As far as we know, $p$forms are the unique objects that can be naturally understood in a geometric light (e.g., one can define $\int \omega$ of a $p$form $\omega$ over a $p$dimensional surface without reference to coordinates). It is not obvious, for example, what, if any, is the natural object one should integrate a secondrank symmetric tensor over. In discussions with other experts in the community, this seems to be a major open problem relating, for example, to how/if one can naturally couple these higherrank theories to gravity and curved spacetime.
Eq. 2.29: I was a little confused by the arguments here based on time reversal, under which macroscopic reactive and dissipative terms generally behave differently. Perhaps oddness of the physical current under spatial inversion would be a more rigorous way to argue for allowed terms?
While oddness of the physical current under spatial inversion can be used to argue that the $J_i \propto \rho_i$ term is disallowed, we emphasize that the term is disallowed even when spatial inversion and/or time reversal symmetries are broken. This is seen most easily by noting that the equations of motion exhibit a thermodynamic instability, as we mention in the footnote. We have clarified in the main text that spatial inversion can alternatively be used to forbid $\alpha \neq 0$.
Anonymous Report 1 on 2022615 (Invited Report)
 Cite as: Anonymous, Report on arXiv:2205.05695v1, delivered 20220615, doi: 10.21468/SciPost.Report.5240
Strengths
The paper is detailed and easy to follow.
Research topics are exciting and timely.
Weaknesses
No proposed realistic systems realize the interesting physics discussed in the manuscript.
Section 2 and the results of the matterfree limit in other sections are known (some of them are presented in Ref[32]).
Report
The authors of the manuscript offered the hydrodynamics description of the systems with higher rank gauge symmetry. The results are interesting and timely, given that fracton systems' dynamics have recently attracted attention from highenergy and condensed matter communities. The paper is scientifically sound and well written.
In conclusion, I recommend the paper for publication after the authors clarify my following questions and concerns
1) Could the author explicitly define the hydrodynamics regime for each case? What is the limit where the hydrodynamics formalism is valid? As my understanding, in graphene, the hydrodynamics regime is where the conserved momentum scattering dominates the momentum relaxation scattering.
2) From the divergent free condition of the magnetic field $\partial_i B_i=0$, by the Gauss theorem, the total magnetic flux through the boundary of any volume vanishes identically rather than conserved as in equation (2.13). Is this correct?
3) In the symmetric rank 2, the “electric conductivity” generally is a 4indices tensor. What are the argument of the relation $J^{(e)}_{ij}=\frac{1}{\tau}E_{ij}$ used in equation (3.6) and (5.5). Why the Ohmic conductivities of scalar charge and vector charge are the same? What are the assumed scattering mechanism that lead to this conclusion? Is the proposed “electric conductivity” unique with the assumption of rotational symmetry?
4) In the discussion of oneform symmetries for the conserved magnetic field in equations (3.10) and (5.8), the assumption that there is no magnetic charge was used implicitly. What is the argument for this assumption?
5) It looks like the energy of the photon in the matterfree limit for the traceless symmetric rank $n$ is given by $\omega=\frac{c k_z m}{n}$, is this correct?
6) The explicit forms of functions $f_i$, $f_{ij}$ in sections 2,3,5 remind me the gauge transformations of gauge fields $A_i$ and $A_{ij}$ with time independent gauge transformation. $A_i \to A_i + \partial_i \varphi$ for the usual $U(1)$ gauge theory, $A_{ij} \to A_{ij}+\partial_{i}\partial_j \Phi \frac{1}{3} \delta_{ij} \partial^2 \Phi$ for scalar charge traceless symmetric tensor gauge theory, and $A_{ij} \to A_{ij} + \partial_i \Psi_j + \partial_j \Psi_i$ for vector charge tensor gauge theory. Is this just a coincident or they are related?
Minors:
1)The magnetic conductivity $\sigma_m$ wasn’t defined before used in equation (2.16)
2) Are $\tilde{J}_k$ in (2.21) and $J_k$ in (2.22) the same?
3) The diffusion constant at rank $n$ given by $D_m=\tau c^2 m^2/n^2$ only works for the traceless symmetric tensor case. It should be clarified explicitly in the introduction section.
Requested changes
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Author: Oliver Hart on 20220816 [id 2733]
(in reply to Report 1 on 20220615)
We thank the referee for reviewing our manuscript and for their favorable assessment. We provide a detailed pointbypoint response below. A complete list of changes will accompany our resubmission.
1) Could the author explicitly define the hydrodynamics regime for each case? What is the limit where the hydrodynamics formalism is valid? As my understanding, in graphene, the hydrodynamics regime is where the conserved momentum scattering dominates the momentum relaxation scattering.
In graphene the term "hydrodynamic regime" is a bit of a misnomer: this regime is more accurately described as the "viscous regime". Both the "Ohmic" and "viscous" regimes can be thought of as hydrodynamic regimes, and correspond to different exact/approximate conservation laws. Which regime one is in depends on particular ratios of important length scales. In Ohmic flow, impurity scattering dominates, thereby relaxing momentum; in viscous flow, momentumconserving electronelectron collisions dominate. By contrast, the "ballistic regime" is dominated by the channel's narrowness, and is not hydrodynamic, as interactions do not play a dominant role in the dynamics. In the context of graphene, all of these regimes refer to the flow of matter (electrons), while in our manuscript we consider the hydrodynamic relaxation of fields. Essentially, we use the term "hydrodynamics" more generally to refer to the coarsegrained description of relaxation to global equilibrium in systems with conserved charges. Finally, while the label "Ohmic" could be applied to many of the regimes we study—in the sense that the hydrodynamic mode has dispersion $\omega \sim \mathrm{i}k^2$—we think this label would be misleading, because the "Ohmic" transport coefficient would not be proportional to the coefficient $\sigma$ in the quasihydrodynamic description with both $E$ and $B$ fields. We will elucidate this point further in response to point 1. of the third referee.
2) From the divergent free condition of the magnetic field $\partial_i B_i = 0$, by the Gauss theorem, the total magnetic flux through the boundary of any volume vanishes identically rather than conserved as in equation (2.13). Is this correct?
The referee is correct that the magnetic Gauss's law (2.1b) implies that the magnetic flux through any closed surface vanishes, as shown directly in (2.11). This is entirely compatible with (2.13), which derives from (2.1b). We present the latter equation—and Sec. 2.2.3 more generally—to give some intuition for oneform symmetries in Maxwellian theories, and to highlight connections between Gauss's law and Faraday's law.
3) In the symmetric rank 2, the "electric conductivity" generally is a 4indices tensor. What are the argument of the relation $J_{ij}^{(\text{e})} = \frac{1}{\tau} E_{ij}$ used in equation (3.6) and (5.5). Why the Ohmic conductivities of scalar charge and vector charge are the same? What are the assumed scattering mechanism that lead to this conclusion? Is the proposed "electric conductivity" unique with the assumption of rotational symmetry?
The justification, in general, for the relation $J_{ij}^{(\text{e})} \propto E_{ij}$ (such that the "electrical conductivity" reduces to a single scalar parameter) is the SO(3) symmetry assumed throughout the manuscript. When $E_{ij}$ transforms in an irreducible representation of SO(3), $J_{ij}^{(\text{e})} = \sigma_e E_{ij}$ is the most general form of Ohm's law permitted by symmetry. In Sec. 5, corresponding to the traceful vector charge theory, $E_{ij}$ transforms in a reducible representation, permitting additional structure in Ohm's law. In the updated manuscript, we have highlighted that the $\mathbf{1}$ and the $\mathbf{5}$ irreps can, in general, have differing relaxation rates, and we have explored the consequences thereof on the quasinormal mode structure. We thank the referee for drawing this point to our attention.
One of the advantages of our symmetrybased approach is that no scattering mechanisms need to be assumed in order to reach the above conclusions: We allow for the most general form of Ohm's law allowed by symmetry. In sections 2, 3, and 4, the conductivity $\sigma$ reduces to a single "phenomenological parameter".
4) In the discussion of oneform symmetries for the conserved magnetic field in equations (3.10) and (5.8), the assumption that there is no magnetic charge was used implicitly. What is the argument for this assumption?
We emphasize that the vanishing of magnetic charge density is only ever assumed to hold approximately. Since the theories that we discuss are ostensibly emergent, we cannot rule out the presence of magnetic charge. The limit of vanishing magnetic charge density, where the magnetic oneform symmetry is exact, is taken in order to describe an intermediate time regime that exhibits interesting hydrodynamic phenomena—this is worth studying independent of any proposed experimental realization. As we explain in sections 2.2.5 and 3.2.3, if magnetic charges are present, then our results apply to intermediate length and time scales. More precisely, if the magnetic oneform symmetry is broken with a time scale $\tau_m > \tau_e$ (in addition to the electric oneform symmetry being broken), then all fields decay exponentially (i.e., no diffusion) at times $t \gtrsim \tau_m$. To observe the "magnetic diffusion" regime in a realistic physical system, one therefore only requires a separation of scales between the decay times $\tau_e$ and $\tau_m$. This separation of scales is analogous to how one sees viscous flow in graphene: Momentum is not exactly conserved, but there is a parametric separation between the time scales of momentum relaxation and the relaxation of more generic ballistic modes.
5) It looks like the energy of the photon in the matterfree limit for the traceless symmetric rank $n$ is given by $\frac{ck_z m}{n}$, is this correct?
Yes. We have made this fact more explicit in the manuscript.
6) The explicit forms of functions $f_i$, $f_{ij}$ in sections 2,3,5 remind me the gauge transformations of gauge fields $A_i$ and $A_{ij}$ with time independent gauge transformation. $A_i \to A_i + \partial_i \varphi$ for the usual $U(1)$ gauge theory, $A_{ij} \to A_{ij} + \partial_i \partial_j \Phi \frac13 \delta_{ij} \partial^2 \Phi$ for scalar charge traceless symmetric tensor gauge theory, and $A_{ij} \to A_{ij} + \partial_i \Psi_j + \partial_j \Psi_i$ for vector charge tensor gauge theory. Is this just a coincident or they are related?
For all cases considered in the manuscript, both the permitted gauge transformations of the vector potential $A$ and the functional forms of the conserved moments of charge density $f(\mathbf{r})$ coincide. In fact, it is the selfduality of Maxwell's equations that guarantees this feature (specifically under interchanging $E$ and $B$, up to factors of $c$). Timeindependent gauge transformations are generated by the electric Gauss's law, since $E$ and $A$ are canonically conjugate to one another. The functional form of the conserved moments $f$, on the other hand, derives from Faraday's law (assuming that it is the magnetic charge density that [approximately] vanishes), giving rise to conservation of magnetic flux through closed surfaces (in the rankone case). The quantities that are conserved via Faraday's law also follow from the magnetic Gauss law. In selfdual theories, the electric and magnetic Gauss's laws have the same form. In higherrank theories that are not selfdual, such as the traceful scalar charge theory, the equivalence between allowed gauge transformations and the functional form of conserved moments breaks down: In this theory, the gauge transformations are of the form $A_{ij} \to A_{ij} + \partial_i \partial_j \alpha$ for some scalar function $\alpha$, while the conserved moments of the magnetic field tensor $B_{ij}$ are parametrized instead by functions $f_{ij} = \partial_i \Psi_j$ (since $B_{ij}$ isn't symmetric, there is no requirement that the tensor $f_{ij}(\mathbf{r})$ be symmetric either).
1) The magnetic conductivity $\sigma_m$ wasn't defined before used in equation (2.16)
We thank the referee for spotting this omission. We have modified the first sentence of Sec. 2.2.5 to include a definition of $\sigma_m$.
2) Are $\tilde{J}_k$ in (2.21) and $J_k$ in (2.22) the same?
Yes. We have removed the tilde from $\tilde{J}_k$ in (2.21) and in the subsequent paragraph to clarify this.
3) The diffusion constant at rank $n$ given by $D_m = \tau c^2 m^2 /n^2$ only works for the traceless symmetric tensor case. It should be clarified explicitly in the introduction section.
The referee is correct. We have modified the relevant sentence in the introduction.
Author: Oliver Hart on 20220816 [id 2734]
(in reply to Report 3 on 20220704)We thank the referee for taking the time to review our manuscript. Their comments and criticisms are addressed in the pointbypoint response below. A complete list of changes will accompany our resubmission.
We respectfully and fundamentally disagree with the referee's definition of "hydrodynamics": our modern understanding of hydrodynamics is that it is the coarsegrained theory that describes the relaxation of manybody systems to thermal equilibrium (or another stationary state). This is much broader than the NavierStokes equations, for example. This definition notwithstanding, the term "diffusion" is inappropriate in the context of our work since the theories that we consider may realize diffusion [Secs. 2, 3, 4] or subdiffusion [Sec. 5] of the magnetic field tensor in the presence of electrically charged matter.
While this more general application of the word "hydrodynamics" is now standard and broadly accepted in various communities, we acknowledge it is often unfamiliar to many readers. We have therefore opted to explain more clearly in the introduction the sense in which we use the word. See also the first point of our response to referee 1.
Generally speaking, each section of our work applies to any microscopic quantum [or classical] system giving rise to emergent rank$n$ electromagnetism that—in an appropriately taken continuum limit—is described by an SO(3)symmetric, rank$n$ variant of Maxwell's equations. We present the corresponding Maxwell's equations at the start of each section. The rankone variant is well studied, and proposed realizations include numerous spinliquid / spinice models that give rise to emergent compact electrodynamics, which we have cited more prominently in our manuscript.
For the ranktwo case, there exist analogous lattice models that host ranktwo gauge fields. These constructions are discussed, e.g., in [PRB 74 224433, arXiv:0602443, PRB 96 035119, PRB 98 165140]. Again, we have taken steps to make these citations more prominent at the beginning of Section 3.
The higherrank case (i.e., for rankthree and above)—discussed in Section 4 of our manuscript—certainly has fewer proposed microscopic models in the literature than the rankone and ranktwo versions. To address the referee's comment, we have included a short section at the beginning of Section 4 outlining how to obtain higherrank Maxwell's equations starting from a particular microscopic lattice model comprising O(2) quantum rotors.
If $J_{ij}^{(\text{e})}$ and $E_{ij}$ transform as ranktwo tensors under rotations, then, in general, the conductivity $\sigma_{ijkl}$ is a rankfour invariant tensor, which for SO(3) assumes the form $\sigma_{ijk\ell} = \alpha \delta_{ij}\delta_{k\ell} + \beta \delta_{ik}\delta_{j\ell} + \gamma \delta_{i\ell}\delta_{jk}$. If $E_{ij}$ is symmetric and traceless, as is the case in section 3, then the relation between current and electric field tensor reduces to $J_{ij}^{(\text{e})} = \sigma_e E_{ij}$. That is, the conductivity tensor reduces to a scalar quantity $\sigma_e$ that cannot be further constrained by symmetry. The same is true for the rank$n$ symmetric tensors considered in Sec. 4.
The same is not true for the traceless vector charge theory presented in Sec. 5. In the most general setting permitted by symmetry, since the electric field tensor transforms in a reducible representation, the different irreps can be associated with different decay rates. This leads to a generalization of the quasinormal mode structure in which the modes $B_{xx} = \pm B_{yy}$ have differing subdiffusion constants.