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PhaseSpace Methods for Simulating the Dissipative ManyBody Dynamics of Collective Spin Systems
by Julian Huber, Peter Kirton, Peter Rabl
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Authors (as Contributors):  Julian Huber · Peter Rabl 
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Preprint link:  scipost_202101_00015v1 
Date accepted:  20210208 
Date submitted:  20210129 17:00 
Submitted by:  Huber, Julian 
Submitted to:  SciPost Physics 
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Academic field:  Physics 
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Approaches:  Theoretical, Computational 
Abstract
We describe an efficient numerical method for simulating the dynamics and steady states of collective spin systems in the presence of dephasing and decay. The method is based on the Schwinger boson representation of spin operators and uses an extension of the truncated Wigner approximation to map the exact open system dynamics onto stochastic differential equations for the corresponding phase space distribution. This approach is most effective in the limit of very large spin quantum numbers, where exact numerical simulations and other approximation methods are no longer applicable. We benchmark this numerical technique for known superradiant decay and spinsqueezing processes and illustrate its application for the simulation of nonequilibrium phase transitions in dissipative spin lattice models.
Published as SciPost Phys. 10, 045 (2021)
Author comments upon resubmission
Report 2:
Referee: “1. The survey on the existing literature for phase space methods for drivendissipative systems is basically nonexistent. Works like [Phys. Rev. B 72, 125335; Phys. Rev. X 5, 041028; Phys. Rev. A 97, 013853] should be referenced somewhere.”
Reply: The application of phase space methods for simulating drivendissipative systems is a wellestablished technique, which is discussed in many textbooks and has been applied in numerous papers. The purpose of this work is not to describe this method per se, but to show how it can be extended to dissipative spin systems in a practical manner, which was not known before. However, we agree with the referee that a few examples for phase space methods for bosonic manybody systems could be of interest to the reader. We have added the suggested references and few more in the introduction.
Referee: “2. The notion of the conserved quantitites of Eq. (1) is not entirely clear. For S = 1/2, the conservation of S^2 appears to be trivial, but that does not help toward reducing the complexity of the problem.”
Reply: Let us emphasize that in this work we are interested in models where each lattice site is represented by a collective spin with S>>1. In practice, each collective spin S_i might be formed by an ensemble of many twolevel systems, such that the full Hilbertspace scales exponentially in S. Therefore, it is important that in Eq. (1) there appear only collective spin operators such that the Hilbertspace of each site can be restricted to (2S+1) states. For S=1/2 there is no gain, but this is also not of interest for our method.
For a lattice system the total Hilbertspace dimension still scales exponentially in the number of lattice sites N and that is why approximate simulation methods are required.
Referee: “3. There is a typo in the 3rd line of p.8, where the Q distribution should refer to k = 1.
Reply: We thank the referee for pointing out this typo, which we have corrected.
Referee: “4. It is not entirely clear what the authors mean by the P distribution being incapable of representing squeezed states. As the P distribution is an integral transform of the density matrix, the P distribution of squeezed states clearly exists, even if only in a distributional sense. It may be possible that the authors cannot represent such distributions within their numerical work, but then they should say so.”
Reply: To be more precise, we have rewritten this statement in Sec. 2.6 in the following way: “It is wellknown that squeezed states, which appear commonly in interacting spin systems, cannot be represented by a positive and nonsingular Pdistribution and thus cannot be simulated via the stochastic equations in Eq. (13) when k=1.” A similar clarification has been added in Sec. 3.4.
Referee: “5. The claim of the method being able to accurately predict the steady state of collective spin models is not justified. Most importantly, the benchmarking against the exact solution seems to fail at the phase transition, i.e., where the dynamics is most interesting. In particularly, the nonanalytic behavior of the order parameter does not seem to get captured correctly. Clearly, this point deserves more attention and discussion.”
Reply: In Figure 4 we show that our method can reproduce the steady state of a collective spin model very accurately over the whole parameter range. For \Omega<\Gamma the results are essentially exact. At and above the critical point the predictions are qualitatively correct but there are some visible quantitative differences. Here one should keep in mind that at the critical point and throughout the mixed phase, the Liouvillian gap scales as ~1/S, meaning that the model considered in this plot is particularly challenging and such deviations are not found in noncritical models or parameter settings.
In the revised version of the manuscript we have added an inset in Fig 4(a) which shows that our method improves for larger S, in which case also the nonanalytic behavior at the transition point is much more pronounced. Also, for the lattice system in Sec. 3.5 we clearly see the nonanalytic phase transition, diverging correlation lengths etc., which exactly match the HolsteinPrimakoff predictions even very close to the phase transition point. In this sense we believe that our claim of “accurately predicting the steady state” is justified.
Referee: “6. It is not clear what the authors what to say when referring to meanfield theory and how their work constitute a beyond meanfield result. This is particularly striking when comparing with Ref. [33], because the meanfield theory employed there can certainly be applied to highly mixed states (whether it is accurate is another question).”
Reply: We do not claim that meanfield theory cannot be applied to the models considered in this work, but it is obvious that a meanfield model, which only accounts for the average values of the spin components, cannot accurately represent states that are dominated by fluctuations. Our method accounts for (quantum) fluctuations and therefore, by definition, goes beyond meanfield approaches. This allows us to predict, for example, spin squeezing effects or the spin variances in the highly mixed phase in Fig. 4. As discussed in more detail in [21], the mean field theory in Ref. [33] (Ref. [38] in the revised version) is also not able to predict the properties of mixed phases in spin lattice models, even when S>>1.
To avoid any confusion, we have clarified the meaning of “beyond meanfield” in the introduction.
Referee: ”7. Contrary to what the authors say, there are works on the dissipative Heisenberg model in 2D using tensor network methods [Nature Commun. 8, 1291; arXiv:2012.03095].”
Reply: We do not claim that there are no works on 2D dissipative Heisenberg models, but that tensor network methods scale unfavorably in 2D, in particular for higher spin quantum numbers. Since the first submission of our work, two relevant papers on this topic appeared on the arXiv [arXiv:2012.03095, arXiv:2012.12233], which we have cited in the revised version together with the previous result published in Nature Commun. 8, 1291.
Report 1:
Referee: “Below eq. (37), the condition for the appearance of the polarized state and the mixed state is the same. I assume in the first equation it should be > instead of < (i.e., large dissipation)."
Reply: We thank the referee for pointing out this typo, which we have corrected.
List of changes
*) Clarified the meaning of “beyond meanfield” in the introduction
*)Added references of the TWA for bosonic systems in the introduction: PRA 58, 4824 (1998), PRB 72, 125335 (2005); PRX 5, 041028 (2015), Phys. Rev. A 97, 013853 (2018)
*) Clarified statement about representing squeezed states with the P distribution in Sec. 2.6 and 3.4.
*) Paragraph added in Sec. 3.3.2 and inset added in Fig. 4(a) disscussing the steady state at/around the phase transition point for different spin quantum numbers.
*) Added references of 2d tensor network methods in Sec. 3.5: arXiv:2012.03095 (2020), arXiv:2012.12233 (2020), Nat. Commun. 8, 1291 (2017).
*) Fig.1,2,3,5,6 updated; there was a lightly wrong initialization for the TWA (k=0) simulations. There is even better agreement with the exact numerics now.
*) Fixed typos